Twisted Pomegranate

nathanbs · Feb 26, 2014

GeorgiaBonsai said:
there is one more video of this one a year later with walter pall there.

I did what you suggested and added a little soil around the base just for the picture so that you could see how the root will look.

The two circled branches I am unsure of. I'm not sure where they will go or what role they can play, as they both move directly toward the viewer.

the fatter one in the center higher probably needs to go now that you point it out the lower one needs to be wired. You need to carefully wrap your wire snug but not tight around your branches so that when you bend the branch the wire provide support. re-wire snuggly and set these branches at an angle thats is dictated by your first big branch on the right. As the branches get closer to the apex their angle can gently climb. The secondary and tertiary branches is where you will fill out the crown. Look at pictures of Kokufu pomegranates for inspiration. Try looking past the dense branching and look at the trunk and primary branching

small trees · Feb 26, 2014

nathanbs said:
the fatter one in the center higher probably needs to go now that you point it out the lower one needs to be wired. You need to carefully wrap your wire snug but not tight around your branches so that when you bend the branch the wire provide support. re-wire snuggly and set these branches at an angle thats is dictated by your first big branch on the right. As the branches get closer to the apex their angle can gently climb. The secondary and tertiary branches is where you will fill out the crown. Look at pictures of Kokufu pomegranates for inspiration. Try looking past the dense branching and look at the trunk and primary branching

I'm about to head to sleep soon but I'll work on this tomorrow. Do you think that since the trunk leans to the left fairly heavily, a more upward-facing right branch is okay? I don't want a young-looking branch to contradict the apparent age of the trunk.

small trees · Mar 3, 2014

I forgot to post it until now, but here's a picture with the front-facing branch removed and the direction of the lowest right branch corrected. I like this tree more every time I look at it. It reminds me of something like this.

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nathanbs · Mar 3, 2014

looking good. I would mimic the angle of your upper branches with that of your first branch. It will be a slight up and then out. When wiring try to prevent wrapping all of the way around trunk if possible. sometimes its necessary if you are really going to crank down on the base of the branches but in your case where the branches are either thin or way out at the end of the primary branch its not necessary. Remember one wire for two branches. I think you wired five branches this should require 3 wires. Now LET IT GROW! I wrote that in caps so you cant miss it. Leave it alone until it gets some good new growth to allow the roots to establish then cut back to 1 or 2 internodes on first branch and wait until wire starts cutting in on upper branches, remove wire and cut back branch, or apex to appropriate length. You should get some new growth popping everywhere. let it all grow unless its coming out of base of tree

small trees · Mar 3, 2014

nathanbs said:
looking good. I would mimic the angle of your upper branches with that of your first branch. It will be a slight up and then out. When wiring try to prevent wrapping all of the way around trunk if possible. sometimes its necessary if you are really going to crank down on the base of the branches but in your case where the branches are either thin or way out at the end of the primary branch its not necessary. Remember one wire for two branches. I think you wired five branches this should require 3 wires. Now LET IT GROW! I wrote that in caps so you cant miss it. Leave it alone until it gets some good new growth to allow the roots to establish then cut back to 1 or 2 internodes on first branch and wait until wire starts cutting in on upper branches, remove wire and cut back branch, or apex to appropriate length. You should get some new growth popping everywhere. let it all grow unless its coming out of base of tree

I have the other branches wired with the intention to keep only the first inch or two of them, so I think in that regard they are fine as is.

Regarding the excess wiring, I tried doing so with two of the branches and it is slightly more difficult than I thought. Should I undo the wire that is already on the tree and re-wire? At this point, the wiring isn't hurting anything but appearances, correct? If so, I don't want to risk knocking off any of the buds by taking off the wire.

nathanbs · Mar 3, 2014

GeorgiaBonsai said:
I have the other branches wired with the intention to keep only the first inch or two of them, so I think in that regard they are fine as is.

Regarding the excess wiring, I tried doing so with two of the branches and it is slightly more difficult than I thought. Should I undo the wire that is already on the tree and re-wire? At this point, the wiring isn't hurting anything but appearances, correct? If so, I don't want to risk knocking off any of the buds by taking off the wire.

The first 1" or 2" is what I am talking about. Look at the angle of your first branch compare it to the upper branches. typically branches increase in upward angle as they get closer to the apex. Not the other way around. I'm recommending to have the branch origin be the same or similar with the first branch and increasing the climb of the overall branches with your secondary and tertiary branching as you get higher in the tree.

wire should be fine this go around.

nathanbs · Mar 3, 2014

here are some photos for inspiration. First one is a twisted pomegranate, korean hornbeam, ficus

small trees · Mar 3, 2014

nathanbs said:
The first 1" or 2" is what I am talking about. Look at the angle of your first branch compare it to the upper branches. typically branches increase in upward angle as they get closer to the apex. Not the other way around. I'm recommending to have the branch origin be the same or similar with the first branch and increasing the climb of the overall branches with your secondary and tertiary branching as you get higher in the tree.

wire should be fine this go around.

I see what you are talking about. I feel like I have a decent grasp on most basic techniques and practices, but when I go to put them into play I overlook a lot of things. Part of the learning process I guess. Let me adjust them and I'll post a picture in a few minutes. My only concern is the upward-turned branches counteracting the appearance of age that the trunk has. I guess I'm having a hard time envisioning the final image right now.

nathanbs said:
here are some photos for inspiration. First one is a twisted pomegranate, korean hornbeam, ficus

absolutely breathtaking.

edit: here are the adjustments. It does look a lot less forced.

nathanbs · Mar 3, 2014

bring upper right one down a little to match left branch and lower right. Dont worry the age will come in the next bend of each branch where you will level out and come downward if you'd like and then fill upward with secondary and tertiary

small trees · Mar 3, 2014

Got it. Now to hope for some growth. I'm interested to see how well this tree backbuds.

bonsaibp · Mar 3, 2014

They generally backbud like crazy.

small trees · Mar 3, 2014

bonsaibp said:
They generally backbud like crazy.

Good deal. Speaking of which, if you post the same trees on the facebook auction page in a few weeks, I may just have to buy all of them. Trying to save the rest of my tree money for one tree, but I wanted just about every one of yours that I saw this past week.

bonsaibp · Mar 3, 2014

GeorgiaBonsai said:
Good deal. Speaking of which, if you post the same trees on the facebook auction page in a few weeks, I may just have to buy all of them. Trying to save the rest of my tree money for one tree, but I wanted just about every one of yours that I saw this past week.

PM me if your interested in any of them. I have more of all except the big pomegranate and the oak.

small trees · Apr 6, 2014

Quick spring update. The tree has put on growth everywhere, and is looking healthy. First picture is of some backbudding on the older wood which looks to be exactly where I would have placed it had I had the choice.

bonsaibp · Apr 6, 2014

Wire those new shoots as soon as they start hardening off if you wait too long they break easy.

small trees · Apr 6, 2014

bonsaibp said:
Wire those new shoots as soon as they start hardening off if you wait too long they break easy.

That's what I was planning to do. I could definitely see how they would be break easily after very long.

youngsai · Apr 6, 2014

very cool tree, I need to get me one, this progression is coming along nicely!

small trees · Apr 15, 2014

I'm not sure if I'll need to make a new thread to get attention, but a few (maybe 10 leaves on the whole plant, not widespread) have yellowed and look like this. Is this a normal pattern of dying leaves or something to worry about? It looks almost as if the tree is being overwatered but I'm watering it twice a week tops right now, and temperatures have been 70-90 lately.

Poink88 · Apr 15, 2014

Looks like old leaves getting ready to be replaced (very late actually).

small trees · Apr 15, 2014

Poink88 said:
Looks like old leaves getting ready to be replaced (very late actually).

It would make sense as it looks to be only on old growth. I just don't know anything about plant diseases and figured i'd ask.

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