Just me working with Japanese White Pine from seed to Come What May

[MdSkilz]

Man, it's been a few years since we've had a poster like this touch down here. The veterans know how this will end. Anyways, @MdSkilz , carry on with whatever you're doing here ( I think your trying to sell crap to members)... you're making friends right and left .

thankx, no needs for friends that want to control me, by tell me how to live.... you can keep them...

 

[MdSkilz]

To be fair, the analogy of ‘neighbors raising your children’ is not the same as ‘receiving advice on seed propagation.’ Seeds are inanimate and non-human material. The premise for the argument of propagation relates to the environment and medium conducive to their viability and ability to survive.

Raising children the right or wrong way assumes moral and ethical consequences. Standards of morality and certain values are not the same as growing seeds. Seed propagation is not related to the premise of the entire discussion involving raising children.

If you want to defend your method of propagation, the analogy you used does not defend it.

objection counselor: fact Plant are alive full with life, kids are alive, full with life,,,, plants are just kids with handicap (can't run away) I help them pop up, not him or any one else, where my right to do it my way?,,,,,,

 

[Nybonsai12]

sure when the seedling gown up to be trees.... Let me ask you some questions: when you buy you car, how do you know its an ford and an chave.. with just a ford label on it?... you do your research, you know what to look for, you asked Google, and your friends who have a ford,,,,

No i was asking for a pic of the parent tree from which you took the cones, your seedlings won't be grown up for several decades...

If you did, great, but it is unlikely you sourced JWP seeds.

It's possible sure, but odds aren't great with the fact that JWP are incredibly rare in the landscape in the US, even when gifted from xxxx. You say you got it from a park, what park? who owns this park?

your antics and bizarre analogies aren't helping you seem more credible.

 

[Bonsai Forest]

objection counselor: fact Plant are alive full with life, kids are alive, full with life,,,, plants are just kids with handicap (can't run away) I help them pop up, not him or any one else, where my right to do it my way?,,,,,,

That is not a logical argument or conclusion. You’re arguing that being alive necessitates being human. Therefore, seeds, flies, dogs, etc. are human.

The advice people gave you is to let you know you’re not helping them properly pop up. The reason for them giving you advice is to help you and educate you. But you chose to take it personally as a personal attack. That led to you attacking them which was unnecessary.

The way you rationalize and reason your way to conclusions is not healthy or logical. For example, a plant being equated to a child who is mentally/physically handicapped and unable to move freely. The condition of the child is outside of the normal/physical state of being. But a healthy plant is assumed to be handicapped by virtue of its normal state?

The way you use analogies and comparisons is flawed and not based on what is objectively true. You’re not effectively communicating or making sound/reasonable arguments.

 

[penumbra]

To poster, I wish you well, but have no time for your thinly veiled insecurities.

 

[MdSkilz]

That is not a logical argument or conclusion. You’re arguing that being alive necessitates being human. Therefore, seeds, flies, dogs, etc. are human.

The advice people gave you is to let you know you’re not helping them properly pop up. The reason for them giving you advice is to help you and educate you. But you chose to take it personally as a personal attack. That led to you attacking them which was unnecessary.

The way you rationalize and reason your way to conclusions is not healthy or logical. For example, a plant being equated to a child who is mentally/physically handicapped and unable to move freely. The condition of the child is outside of the normal/physical state of being. But a healthy plant is assumed to be handicapped by virtue of its normal state?

The way you use analogies and comparisons is flawed and not based on what is objectively true. You’re not effectively communicating or making sound/reasonable arguments.

ok, your dog, the one in the pic next to you.... that's not alive not full of life?....
i' did not ask for help...and yet it happen, because people like to control others....
if and when i sit on the bench waiting for the bus, and you came up to me, and huge me when i did not ask you to, and you do it, because you feel i needed one....you think that's ok. and fine..... no this not, its call Rap= forcing you will on some one with out their consent.

 

[19Mateo83]

.... but from you i do feel the good vibes....

 

[leatherback]

Just to keep in mind.. JWP are mostly found grafted because to remain healthy JWP need a specific climate which is rare outside of their native zone, and because a lot of the white pine used for bonsai are grown from a specific clone, which has short needles, and propagation from cutting is hard.

Note: Propagation from cutting IS possible, so that could be another avenue to propagate.

I know you will tell to me to go eat shit again, but well..

 

[MdSkilz]

thankx dude,,,,,
Man why can't some people just sit back relax and enjoy the ride, watch the show and be quite.... is that so hard to do.... i'm not asking for a armchair qb for the monday night game... if i do , i'll let you know, ok...

 

[leatherback]

Man why can't some people just sit back relax and enjoy the ride, watch the show and be quite..

You post in a forum you post an open invite for people to respond.
Why can't you just sit back relax and enjoy the ride, watch the show and be quiet and see what people give as feedback. Who knows, there might be something in there you did not know. Some here have doctorates in biological fields and others have been into this for decades. Who knows. THey might be on to something.

If you take a step back and assume people are trying to chip in and help you avoid problems later on.. There are not many people on this forum who are trying to be nasty.

 

[Bonsai Forest]

ok, your dog, the one in the pic next to you.... that's not alive not full of life?....
i' did not ask for help...and yet it happen, because people like to control others....
if and when i sit on the bench waiting for the bus, and you came up to me, and huge me when i did not ask you to, and you do it, because you feel i needed one....you think that's ok. and fine..... no this not, its call Rap= forcing you will on some one with out their consent.

Advice is not control and a hug is not rape. On a public forum, your post is open to comments, given the nature and essence of a public forum and social media. Good luck!

 

[MdSkilz]

Just to keep in mind.. JWP are mostly found grafted because to remain healthy JWP need a specific climate which is rare outside of their native zone, and because a lot of the white pine used for bonsai are grown from a specific clone, which has short needles, and propagation from cutting is hard.

Note: Propagation from cutting IS possible, so that could be another avenue to propagate.

I know you will tell to me to go eat shit again, but well..

No, dude, its not like that, I'm not like that.... We just miss understood each other, its the way i'm saying it, and the way your reading it...and its me, I'm sorry I made you feel that way,,, I know you have a whole boat load of knowledge, and You want me to know you do, Now I know you do, and you know I know, you know...
I'm not knocking you for what you know, I'm happy for you...It take time and doing to know all that..... I also have Google, And I can read, and phone a friend too...

So please go back and read what I first posted in this post.. read it slowly like your reading to a six year old... and try to read in between the line, read to understand....
And if you don't get it, just ask me and i'll tell you....

In this post; i posted, hey gays look at what just happen. and why I did it, this all...


I know why JWP are grafted and i also know how... i just want one for myself without the graft,(i know w/out the graft it not good, but that's what I want)
I know the seed from the plant is not the one from japan, its just a run of the mill JWP, but that's fine with me...i'll still enjoy it the same way....i'll work on it, it many not be a winner, but that's ok too...

So if you know, you have a big one, or you think yours is the biggest one, that's great for you, just keep it in you pant,,, no need to tell others about how big your is....
Some of us don't like Di@#ks no matter the size.... maybe we have one to...... maybe we like something other things.....
i know I have one, and I know i don't want another one.... and I don't go around telling others about it, if they don't ask about it.... get my point...

 

[leatherback]

i know I have one, and I know i don't want another one.... and I don't go around telling others about it, if they don't ask about it.... get my point...

Yeah sure. please go fuck yourself, too.

 

[MdSkilz]

You post in a forum you post an open invite for people to respond.
Why can't you just sit back relax and enjoy the ride, watch the show and be quiet and see what people give as feedback. Who knows, there might be something in there you did not know. Some here have doctorates in biological fields and others have been into this for decades. Who knows. THey might be on to something.

If you take a step back and assume people are trying to chip in and help you avoid problems later on.. There are not many people on this forum who are trying to be nasty.

please read the words. "come what may", i'll deal with it in my own ways....
you keep telling me that there are lots of people here with and are biologist..., but i'm not look to book a meeting with a biolo... my looking for a good botanist with a deep and knowledge of and can think outside the box.... who want to do so,,, not the ones who is just following the norm...

 

[Dav4]

please read the words. "come what may", i'll deal with it in my own ways....
you keep telling me that there are lots of people here with and are biologist..., but i'm not look to book a meeting with a biolo... my looking for a good botanist with a deep and knowledge of and can think outside the box.... who want to do so,,, not the ones who is just following the norm...

You schmuck... you've been talking shit to PhD level scientists whose field of study actually might involve plant physiology. This is hilarious.

 

[Bonsai Forest]

You schmuck... you've been talking shit to PhD level scientists whose field of study actually might involve plant physiology. This is hilarious.

I think he’s here to troll people and be aggressive. Reported.

 

[Dav4]

I think he’s here to troll people and be aggressive. Reported.

That's fine. I'm bored right now so this is almost entertaining. Anyway, it's gonna be 65 F here next week... re-pot season officially begins in my backyard this weekend .

 

[Bonsai Forest]

That's fine. I'm bored right now so this is almost entertaining. Anyway, it's gonna be 65 F here next week... re-pot season officially begins in my backyard this weekend .

Nice!

 

[leatherback]

That's fine. I'm bored right now so this is almost entertaining. Anyway, it's gonna be 65 F here next week... re-pot season officially begins in my backyard this weekend .

Same here. Repotted 15 trees today.

Waiting for the batches of seedlings to pop their head. If only there was a way to speed nature up. Oh wait, not. Enjoying natures' pace, kicking back and watching natures show..

 

[leatherback]

please read the words. "come what may", i'll deal with it in my own ways....
you keep telling me that there are lots of people here with and are biologist..., but i'm not look to book a meeting with a biolo... my looking for a good botanist with a deep and knowledge of and can think outside the box.... who want to do so,,, not the ones who is just following the norm...